# The AI vs AI Battle for the Internet — Transcript (2026-10-22)

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Yesterday Anthropic announced Claude Duet, their answer to Grokbot and Meta Muse, and OpenAI's Dots. 

And yet somehow Duet is not the focus of our main episode. How could that possibly be? 

Well, in short, it's because that right now we are living through What may ultimately be seen as a key transitional moment between two very different eras of cybersecurity

one where long-term norms held

And even exploits and challenges were manageable And the other newer era

Where it's AI versus AI and a battle for who can coordinate best

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to And we kick off today with a story that on almost [00:01:00] any day on this show would absolutely be the main, and in fact would usually be a main only type episode Anthropic has joined the personal agent market with their own twist on Muse/Dots/Grokbot, 

And they're calling it Claude Duet. The two reasons that today for us It's just a brief headline introduction. Are that one

The massive slate of cyber issues going around the internet right now are fairly unignorable both in the specifics, but also what they allude to for the future

And secondly, I'm working on a full-length Long Read Sunday episode which is going to go much deeper into Claude Duet and exactly how I'm using it and its competitors and what I'm finding so far So come back on Sunday to check that out

For now It appears that Anthropic is perhaps unsurprisingly



aiming at the professional and small business side of the personal agent market with their main differentiators seeming to be a focus on being proactive. Describing the core functionality they wrote, each morning Duet sends you a short brief on the most important items across your connected apps.

Throughout the day, it keeps tabs on those apps and messages you [00:02:00] only when something needs your attention. You can also hand it tasks of all shapes, from simple administrative tasks of scheduling meetings to more complex ones such as building dashboards with dozens of tools, creating financial or sales forecasts, prototyping and building web apps."

Besides the proactive approach, Claude Duet has all of the features that people have come to expect from the current crop of agents. Duet has its virtual machine, persistent memory, and a full suite of connectors. And Anthropic also emphasized a focus on safety. Duet will ask for explicit permission before taking major actions like making a payment or deleting files Anthropic has also created what they call a new dedicated classifier and safety system prompt that checks each message and guards against leaks of sensitive information



Right now Duet is being rolled out as a research preview

And you can't just decide to use it, you have to get on a wait list. Anthropic warned that this is an early version which might have some issues like misreading threads or miscalibrating what's urgent. And they also warned that it won't be as capable at personal errands like booking tickets as other agents because of the extent to which their focus is on work tasks



In In general, the community treated this [00:03:00] with excitement, if not surprise

And for many is summed up by Dan McAdie

The big and immediate differentiator wasn't anything about the proactivity or even necessarily its focus on work tasks. It was the fact that it was built on Opus 5.5

There were a few folks like Chubby who were surprised to see Anthropic pursuing a personal agent



He basically said that he wasn't sure who the target was for this But I think that that might be a category error in thinking that personal agents are just going to be for personal uses

It seems to me that there is a bit of a recognition

that even though we have work and personal lives, the boundaries of those things are fairly permeable

and when it comes to these so-called personal agents

Right now, it seems like the labs are betting that while we might gravitate towards one that has our particular use cases emphasized, they just have to be able to do everything that we might want them to do

Signal summed it up this way: Pretty much every major AI company now has a personal agent product except Google

Meta has Muse, Anthropic Duet, OpenAI, Dots, SpaceX Bots. Slowly but surely, the competition is shifting from who has [00:04:00] the smartest model to who owns the persistent relationship with the user. This will be even more the case going forward You're seeing this because we likely reached peak intelligence required to power most of the world's workflows probably earlier this year, if not late last year

Mostly I think just how nascent this product category remains There is nothing even approaching consensus on whether these things are the right form factor

Or what their most important modes of interactions are, or what even the essential features are. People disagree around whether we'll have one or many

And what the most important distinguishers distinguishers will be

I know I know that subsequent to my time using these personal agents so far

I'm not 100% convinced

that they're going to ultimately be an essential part of the portfolio. But like I said, I'm gonna get a lot deeper into that on Sunday

and I guess a last note on Duet for those who are keeping track

If I were a betting man I think that this is part one of a one-two punch heading into the IPO

At least from a product perspective for Anthropic

Release your answer to all the personal agents floating around

And then

Give it a new model which makes everyone feel just so far [00:05:00] behind

In other words, maybe this is just prelude to Fable 5.5

Next up, staying on the theme of agents



contra to some other businesses out there, Walmart has decided to welcome personal agents onto their platform Recent weeks have seen corporate America divided on the risks

of personal agents interacting with services on their owners' behalves. Shopify was, of course, an emphatic yes, while Amazon, JP Morgan, and Bank of America were a clear no.

It should be noted that the reason for the no's between those companies was a little bit different. JPMorgan and Bank of America are thinking about risk

In terms of agents doing something with people's money that they shouldn't While Amazon is focused more on competitive In that light, Walmart allowing third-party agents is kind of a surprising move. The retail giant was very early to AI adoption, and one of the core pillars of their strategy was Sparky, their proprietary shopping agent



earlier this month, Walmart said customers who used Sparky had order values forty percent higher than non-agentic online shoppers Still, it seems now that Walmart wants to encourage agentic commerce, and they don't particularly [00:06:00] care which agents their customers are using.

As of next month, customers will be able to set up a linked account for their personal agent with configurable spending limits, kind of similar to how a child's account might work. Aside from supporting third-party agents, Walmart's new policy included lengthy terms and conditions that could become a template for safer agentic shopping.

Walmart included rules that an agent must not take actions beyond what the shopper intended, and that agents can't modify a customer's payment methods



Walmart will require purchases to be approved by default and said they would ban agents that don't comply with their guidelines. However, for compliant agents, Walmart said agentic would have access to the returns policy even if an agent makes a mistake

Once again, we find ourselves in incredibly early days for agentic commerce. and I think trying to make definitive statements now about how this is going to play out

is very hard, if not impossible. Still, early evidence suggests that for those who are using personal agents, agentic commerce does seem to be an early use case that people are exploring. During Wednesday night's earnings call, Meta said that one quarter of active Muse users [00:07:00] are using the agent for shopping the average value of their purchases is two hundred dollars, which surprised even the e-commerce veterans who have been paying attention to the space.

Mark Zuckerberg commented, " Plaid told us that they hadn't seen activity like they're seeing with their connector on any other service before."

In that light, Walmart's strategy begins to look a little bit clearer. If the early adopters of agentic shopping are very valuable customers, Walmart just wants to let them shop

Speaking of Meta, the company has announced a new class of non-voting stock to help fund the next leg of their AI build-out. The announcement came alongside those same third quarter earnings, which featured a very minor upwards revision to their data center budget.

Meta now expects to spend between $135 billion and $145 billion this year, adjusting the low end up from $130 billion The new stock will begin trading in January and allows Meta to raise funds by selling equity without diluting Mark Zuckerberg's voting control of the company

CFO Susan Lee wrote in the earnings report, the scale of investment required to compete, sustain growth, expand infrastructure, and pursue new strategic initiatives amidst the AI [00:08:00] transformation taking place in the industry is significant."

During the earnings call, Lee added that the new class of stock will, quote, " Expand our funding tools and give us flexibility to invest behind the unprecedented momentum we're seeing across every part of our business driven by AI."

There are a few reasons why Meta would pivot to funding their data center build-out with equity rather than debt. Some thought that this was a sign that the bond market is completely tapped out on AI debt

But of course, it also might be that Meta sees that as a possibility moving forward rather than a current state condition and wants to hedge against it.

Others noted that Meta has $900 billion in liabilities, including $350 billion in non-cancellable data center contracts.

That's a rough gauge of spending over the coming decade. But only about eighty-three billion of that total is currently on issued long-term bonds

Perhaps the scale of the build-out suggests they won't be able to fund it all with debt

Now ultimately, the Occam's razor answer, or I guess the generous read depending on your position on Zuckerberg, is that Meta is tapping all available pools of capital and keeping their options open

Issuing stock is a deep pool of capital as long as Meta [00:09:00] isn't too concerned about diluting existing shareholders

Financial planning advice from Moelis, which was attached to the earnings report, said Meta would need to raise several hundred billion dollars over the coming years in any scenario. They noted that if they did issue voting stock, they could still raise as much as seven hundred billion without diluting Mark Zuckerberg's vote below fifty percent

Interestingly, Meta stock was up in overnight markets, suggesting shareholders are willing to deal with some dilution for now.

what this means for the stage of the build-out remains to be seen, but it is another important signal

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Welcome back to the AI It's been clear for some time

That among all the questions about AI's impact on the world, how much it was going to change work, whether it was going to disrupt jobs, what sort of runaway societal risks it might have

One of the fairly [00:13:00] inarguable conclusions has been that it was going to have a dramatic impact On cybersecurity and cyber infrastructure

One of the seminal moments of 2026

was in fact when Anthropic announced Project Glasswing and their powerful new model mythos, which we would eventually get a consumer version of in Fable

Glasswing was announced in April

And in their announcement post, they wrote, " We formed Project Glasswing because of capabilities we've observed in a new frontier model trained by Anthropic that we believe could reshape cybersecurity. AI models have reached a level of coding capability where they can surpass all but the most skilled humans at finding and exploiting software vulnerabilities."

As part of the announcement, they noted that their preview version of Mythos had already found thousands of high security vulnerabilities, including, they said, some in every major operating system and web browser

Given the rate of AI progress, Anthropic wrote, " "It will It will not be long before such capabilities proliferate, potentially beyond actors who are committed to deploying them safely. The fallout for [00:14:00] economies, public safety, and national security could be severe."

Now, the way that Glasswing worked was that it gave access to Mythos to a small handful of government and corporate actors in order to start using its capabilities defensively to try to address possible exploits before they could be exploited

And yet as that work has been ongoing, there has still been an acceleration in the incidence

that companies and societies at large are starting to have to respond to

The best known of these and the one that has had the most influence outside of the AI and tech space is of course the Hugging Face incident, in which a fleet of agents from OpenAI broke containment to get access to Hugging Face's systems

And then earlier this week, the week actually kicked off

With an attack on open code

that got into the accounts of about 1.5% of the users of OpenCode

and started running up bills on various AI companies' APIs



this all now, however, appears to be simply prelude. On Wednesday, security researchers disclosed a vulnerability in PHP that could affect as much as 70% of websites and web apps on the internet

By way of background for those who aren't [00:15:00] deep in computer history and aren't developers yourselves, PHP is the programming language that runs the backend servers that power the internet. It's been around since the early 1990s, and while some believe it is a little archaic, it is still deeply enmeshed in this internet that we currently use

The vulnerability was discovered around two months ago using GPT 5.6 Sol by a security researcher at Caliph and independently by the team at Wiz. In the intervening months, OpenAI has been coordinating with PHP's maintainers, Wiz, Cloudflare, and other partners to prepare mitigations and a patch ahead of disclosure

The vulnerability dubbed PHP to Shell is basically the worst nightmare for cyber defenders. It allows a threat actor to take control of a backend server without logging in and perform remote code execution. Essentially, using this vulnerability, a hacker can get access to do anything with any server running on PHP

Critically, this wasn't a vulnerability that only impacted older versions of PHP. Even sites running the latest versions of server software were vulnerable. Volker Dusch, a security [00:16:00] engineer at the nonprofit that maintains PHP, said that this was the most severe security issue the programming language has faced in over a decade.

He compared it to Heartbleed, a critical vulnerability in the OpenSSL cryptographic library that led to a global patching effort back in twenty fourteen.

In a blog post discussing the vulnerability, OpenAI wrote, " To our knowledge, Frontier AI found these vulnerabilities before attackers did, opening a defender's window for maintainers and security providers to prepare fixes and protections ahead of disclosure."

That's technically true, and a bug fix was made available immediately. however, it seems that knowledge of the exploit spread around ten hours ahead of disclosure before anyone could update their servers

Many government and commercial websites took their sites offline as a precaution yesterday morning

The situation was serious enough that the NSA issued a bulletin recommending that organizations take their systems offline until everything is patched. The FBI Cyber Division joined them, asking for organizations to report intrusions



Now, this is the type of concern



that I tend to have an almost reflexive



skepticism [00:17:00] towards

As AI reporter Cameron Wilson put it, " "Real Real sky is falling vibes on the web today."

And yet, based on the responses of people who know a heck of a lot more about this than I do, this one kinda seems like the real deal

Entrepreneur Breck Yeunets wrote, " Guys, this PHP bug is bad, real bad. If you're not afraid yet, you should be. I can only speak for our startup

But already at notebooks.com, we've seen one hundred percent of our cookies exposed, entire source code stolen, hackers defacing our site on their own servers, founders doxxed, important legal docs leaked

Former intelligence officer turned cybersecurity entrepreneur Mike Shelby wrote, " My CTO assures me that our platform has no risk from this latest PHP zero-day vulnerability thing. However," he adds, " we are in the calm before what is likely to be the biggest destruction event to the internet in 20 years."

He's an actual hacker, by the way. He continues, " Biggest issue I've ever seen. around 70% of websites are vulnerable and may have already been compromised without anyone knowing it yet. So tomorrow should be fun."

Investor Charles Reed wrote, " "I'm I'm pretty concerned we're in the early [00:18:00] stages of a global cybersecurity incident, and we just don't fully realize the extent of it yet."

AI engineer Nick Dobos reposted that and said, " " Dozens if not thousands of AI agent swarms bigger than the Hugging Face incident are hacking about half the internet right now."



he he then modified that number to millions after seeing a post from Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince, who said, " In the 10 hours before P2P2 Shell was announced, across the Cloudflare network, we saw thousands of attempts to exploit it.

that jumped to tens of thousands in the 45 minutes post-announcement, hundreds of thousands within two hours, and millions now."

Now to some, this was inevitable

Wharton professor Ethan Mollick wrote, " A visible sign of what AI insiders have been warning about since at least the Mythos release. Acceleration of attack and defense at inhuman speeds, interacting with the very human systems that need to react to them."

Paras Chopra writes, " What's happening with cybersecurity is what rationalists freaking out about AI capabilities had been predicting for a long while." It's the great hackening and it's going to get worse Now, it's a bit 

beyond the scope of this show, but I find that particular characterization a little disingenuous

Given that this [00:19:00] isn't even close to the main thing or main things that that group has been warning about And I think one could make a reasonable argument

that all of the focus on these vague X risk scenarios for years in advance have in fact in many cases distracted from much more current issues like these cybersecurity issues

But I would also say that the best counterpoint to that is that being concerned about one thing does not mean you don't get to be concerned about something else. And so we'll return back to our focus on the issues that are here right now

Outside of our little world

the response is more likely to be somewhere between uninformed, overwhelmed, or just blasé. Solopreneur Peter Levels wrote, " I notified a friend working at a big tech corporate about the PHP vulnerability as their entire infrastructure runs on PHP. He answered, 'Thanks. I'll try to patch it in a few days as I'm out of office right now.'"

And this is a modern tech company, Levels continued. Imagine the traditional companies running PHP

Even for those companies not taking a blasé attitude, however, this represents an incredible challenge Again, Ethan Mollick writes, " Companies I talk to are struggling with the rate of patches they need to do thanks to AI defenses finding issues before the [00:20:00] inevitable wave of incoming cyber attacks by other AIs.

Now consumers are going to have the same experience of getting everything updated often and fast."

Now, one question some had was around the disclosure method of this particular exploit

Maple AI CTO Anthony Ronning wrote, " If they've worked on the PHP vulnerability for over two months, then why has there been such a poor disclosure and rollout strategy? it's basically been a strategy of, of, quote, 'In 24 hours, you're all screwed.'



Cybersecurity professional Tay Monahan wrote, " "This This might be a stupid question, but given the discovery last week and that it started leaking twelve-plus hours ago, why weren't the PHP patches ready to be dropped as soon as the vulnerability/POC fully leaked?

Why is everyone okay arbitrarily waiting another twelve hours to patch?"

Christian the Pav writes, " I'm no security expert, but telling the hacking world there's a mega huge apocalyptic exploit for PHP and giving them a day to figure it out and do as much damage before they release the fix seems like a bad idea. Couldn't they release the update, then after a day explain what it is?"



now my understanding from reading Accounts from people who, again, know a lot more than I do about this, is that the patch [00:21:00] itself makes the exploit obvious. So the concern was that as soon as they released the patch, they were also essentially making the exploit known in the wild This is why the NSA warned everyone to take their sites down ahead of the disclosure

Frederick Willems wrote, " "The The real hacking world isn't the issue. they probably won't target most of us. Releasing the exploit/patch unleashes a storm of script kiddies that will scan and breach everything they find."

They tried to get everyone ready to update the moment it lands



Now, beforeNow before we get into broader implications, some are lamenting what might be the legacy of this particular exploit itself. Kenny Lauderdale writes, " This PHP stuff is so depressing because there's gonna be 15 years worth of old sites that are going to become lost media now."



cybersecurity news reporting account, the International Cyber Digest wrote, " 4chan has gone read-only and Something Awful has shut its forums as American sites brace for the PHP patch."

Bookmarking service Pinboard, game publisher Choice of Games, history site Damn Interesting, and the Explain xkcd wiki are offline too

And then to add to the idea that these types of attacks were not going to be limited incident. Yesterday [00:22:00] also saw Railway hit by a major exploit. Railway is an AI hosting service similar to Vercel.

In a disclosure post, Railway wrote, " Earlier this morning, Railway detected anomalous activity involving systems that store customer environment variables. After further investigation, our investigation to date indicates that an unauthorized third party may have accessed encrypted environment variables, and for some of them obtained the decrypted contents.

environment variables may contain secrets such as API keys or database and registry credentials. We believe this is part of a series of attacks recently targeting platform companies with the aim of compromising AI inference providers at first glance, this looks very similar to the open code exploit from last weekend, which again saw attackers gain access to user API keys, allowing the attackers to steal tokens and run up big bills.

Like the open code situation, Railway is suggesting that all users should rotate API keys and roll all environmental variables stored on the platform



Leo at Synthwave wrote, keys actively being drained, and they've disabled the ability to deploy anything, so can't deploy with new variables."

Nightmare day for cyber and it's only going to get worse from here, I fear

[00:23:00] Dax from OpenCode responded to the Railway team



and summed up the new normal

He wrote, I'm I'm sure you're all better than me at this, but just some of what we've seen if it helps. They're not going to stop. It's going to get increasingly sophisticated, and they're going to go after every surface of your system and all of your employees. Any old projects you've long forgotten about will be found and used against you.

The only reason we're surviving is because we have agents going twenty-four seven. We're still barely sleeping. Good luck. Sorry you're dealing with this, but really it's a collective problem we're all facing together."

Now, if this is the new normal, there are very different paths that that normal can take. On the one end of the spectrum

is what was suggested by former OpenAI staffer Joshua Achaim, who wrote, " Feels like March 1st, 2020 for cyber. Not normal. Something is happening. Internet lockdowns in a couple of months?"



On the On the flip side, there are those who are recognizing

That we're probably gonna have to fight AI with AI



entrepreneur John Ennis wrote, " Well, we just rotated every single key across a large number of projects very quickly, and I'm struck by the fact that this would have been an absolute nightmare not too long ago. the defensive aspect of [00:24:00] AI for cybersecurity is really underrated."

Where the nuclear weapon analogy breaks down with AI is that you can't stop a nuclear weapon with another nuclear weapon, but you can stop an AI attack with an AI

Box's Aaron Levie built on those themes, writing, " Cyber is going to be one of the most profound aspects of AI. We now have a tireless workforce that can hunt down, discover, patch, or attack any system and software ever created. we will use agents to identify the longstanding risks in existing systems and infrastructure.

Attackers will use agents to accelerate the discovery of gaps in environments. We will equally use agents to defend attacks and discover anomalous patterns to better protect our data and much more. We're entering a new cyber regime, and we'll probably use 100X more tokens on this loop than we're imagining right now because we can scan every log, look at every line of code, look through traffic, and process data at a scale that wasn't comprehensible before.

More than ever, enterprises are going to care deeply about how they manage their networks, systems, software, data, identity, devices, and more. Agents will largely become the solution to these challenges, but they will keep everyone up in the process."

In another post, [00:25:00] Aaron wrote, " If you want to know all the jobs that AI will produce, look no further than cybersecurity. This is going to become one of the biggest investment areas for enterprises going forward. And even as that work becomes more agentic and autonomous, you will need more talent to point the agents at the most critical work, review findings, patch systems, respond to incidents, and more lots of opportunity right now for the systems that protect data and enterprises, as well as the professionals that are deploying them and protecting organizations.

It's only going to get more wild out there

Embroidery co-founder Zach Korman

argues in more colorful language that the only way out is through He posted, " "There is There is only one answer to cybersecurity threats

Fix your shit. Scared of threat actors using AI? Worried about rogue agents? Think obliterated models are spooky? Fix your shit. The ban AI models and regulate GPU access crowd should instead fix their shit



and and yet going back to the talent gap that Aaron Levy was just talking about others think that that sort of fixing is not going to come easy and it's not going to be available for everyone.

Will Menitis writes: if today is any indication of the pace, markets are not nearly pricing in the [00:26:00] rate at which banks/healthcare, etc., are going to have to merge to acquire enough scale to defend against AI-driven security vulnerabilities



summing summing it up, Enclave's Tal Hoffman writes, " What a day. The future of cybersecurity is swarms. swarms of agents attacking, and swarms of agents defending. Or rather, fleets versus swarms. Governed agents on defense versus cheap and relentless agents on offense.

Whoever coordinates faster wins."

In a post called "Towards Securing the Internet," OpenAI President Greg Brockman

wrote about how, in his word, new approaches will be needed He He said, we we are actively thinking about those and looking for feedback from the community to help us collectively rise to the challenge of improving the security of the internet as models improve. As vulnerability discovery ramps, we will need new defensive solutions, potentially including authorized defenders such as government scanning the internet for vulnerable hosts and either notifying or, in extreme cases, patching those systems remotely."

After discussing some more of OpenAI's commitments, he concludes, " I believe we're entering a new phase of cybersecurity where the models are able to find vulnerabilities with [00:27:00] internet-scale impact. We believe that defenders everywhere have a part to play, applying models to their own defenses, finding and fixing issues in shared infrastructure, and sharing best practices that can ultimately make the internet more secure."

And the most optimistic take is that ultimately software will be more secure A16Z's Martin Casado wrote, " In the long run, AI is going to make software so much more capable and so much more secure and reliable. But before that, things are going to get much, much worse."

Longtime listeners will have heard me say before

That across so many aspects of AI

I am an incredible long-term optimist

And yet long-term optimism does not deny the potential chaos, pain, and agony of short or even medium-term transitions. I believe that's the case for jobs, and it is certainly the case for cybersecurity. And boy, are we in it now I will, of course, keep you informed as things evolve.



For now, however, that is gonna do it for today's AI Daily Brief Thanks as always for listening or watching, and until next time, peace out 

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